056 Spirited Trivia

Marcia Smith 0:00
What bird lays an egg that can support the weight of a 240 pound person? Oh cheese.

Bob Smith 0:06
And what dark secret did American patriot Patrick Henry hide beneath the floor of his colonial house?

Marcia Smith 0:15
Yeah, he didn’t live in a ranch house.

Bob Smith 0:18
answers to those and other questions in this episode of the off ramp with Bob

Marcia Smith 0:23
and Marsha Smith

Bob Smith 0:41
Welcome to the off ramp a chance to slow down steer clear of crazy take a side road to sanity and get some perspective on life. Well Marcia, this is our 20th trivia show during the Coronavirus. So this is a big milestone. It’s been fun.

Marcia Smith 0:56
Let’s go out to eat.

Bob Smith 0:57
It’s too bad. You have to leave. Oh, no, no, it’s been fun. Let’s go out to eat you mean to celebrate now? Yeah. At a patio restaurant somewhere? Absolutely.

Marcia Smith 1:06
A little wine a little cheese or?

Bob Smith 1:09
So you’ve got a question about a bird that has what how big is the egg go? Well,

Marcia Smith 1:14
I didn’t say that. I just said the strongest egg in the world, the strongest egg and they can support the weight of a 240 pound person can sit. How did they test this? Well, I don’t know. But it can stand. I’m just using that as an example. Okay, sure. Okay,

Bob Smith 1:30
so it’s not an ostriches and I was thinking of ostrich eggs being big

Marcia Smith 1:34
they are and it is. Oh, really? Yes. Okay, now that baby it is the biggest egg in the world. And the egg can weigh up to as much as it’s well. It’s an average of three pounds. It’s 20 times the weight of a chicken egg. Wow. The ostrich itself can grow up to nine feet tall. Wow. And can weigh up to 320 pounds. Oh my god.

Bob Smith 1:57
Well don’t you don’t want to wait one of those in a dark. We got an ostrich

Marcia Smith 2:01
puppet and that looks you know so cute. Well, that’s a puppet Marsh. Okay, but I didn’t know they could be 320 pounds. That is

Bob Smith 2:09
a big burden. That’s

Marcia Smith 2:10
a big egg burden a big guy. Yeah. Well, this

Bob Smith 2:14
was a big secret. What dark secret did the American patriot Patrick Henry hide beneath the floor of his colonial house? Well that Patrick Henry was known for give me liberty or give me death. Yeah, but what secret did he hide beneath the floor of his house?

Marcia Smith 2:31
Playboy magazines? No, no, it’s

Bob Smith 2:34
a sad story. Oh, is it his wife? She was mad. Oh, Mike,

Marcia Smith 2:38
he hid his wife under that. That’s

Bob Smith 2:41
the story. At least that’s what some people say. Rather than have his wife committed to an institution, he kept his wife in a straitjacket in the cellar under his home.

Marcia Smith 2:52
Oh, for God’s sakes take me to a home.

Bob Smith 2:55
Well count say he was good to worry went down daily to feed her and care for her. His friends didn’t know of his play. When they heard scratching sounds beneath the floor. They would joke about ghosts.

Marcia Smith 3:05
Oh my gosh, this is Patrick Henry. Patrick

Bob Smith 3:09
Henry. This

Marcia Smith 3:10
is supposedly true No. Do things no no. Go to the bathroom. Don’t

Bob Smith 3:15
know Marsh don’t know about that. Oh,

Marcia Smith 3:17
kept her in a straight Jack. Yeah. So the asylums banned must have been pretty bad. That was a good time a good alternative.

Bob Smith 3:26
I’ll just keep you here.

Marcia Smith 3:27
Okay, what do you got in mind? Oh my God. Where did you get

Bob Smith 3:33
that? That was from the rest of the story. It was one of those Paul Harvey stories I found. Yeah.

Marcia Smith 3:39
Do Paul Harvey.

Bob Smith 3:40
Paul Harvey. Good bank. secret secret? Yeah,

Marcia Smith 3:44
right. That’s that’s a good one. Bob.

Bob Smith 3:46
Yeah. All right. That’s really dark, isn’t it? Yeah. Okay.

Marcia Smith 3:50
Here’s a quickie according to information from the National Safety Council. What’s the most choked down object by Americans? The

Bob Smith 4:00
most choked on object by American some kind of food I would say. Am I right about that particular? No, not okay. Maybe

Marcia Smith 4:08
maybe not. Baseball.

Bob Smith 4:09
I don’t know why. I was thinking of an apple. And I thought well, what’s about the size of an apple? I don’t know. What is Marsh? A toothpick? A toothpick? Yeah, people

Marcia Smith 4:20
get carried away with rolling around their mouth. And I imagine and I don’t know that’s but that’d be awful to go down.

Bob Smith 4:29
Oh my goodness. Can you imagine on its way down at dance tosses and spins? Oh, no, no. So that would be so that’s the thing that Americans took choke on more than anything else is a toothpick. Yeah. Wow. I didn’t know about that.

Marcia Smith 4:42
I did don’t either. That’s why we’re here to to learn to learn other things teach the throng safety measures to teach

Bob Smith 4:51
your friends. Okay, I’ve got another history question. How did laughter save Napoleon’s army in Egypt? I say again, how did laughter save Napoleon’s army in Egypt? This goes back to 1798. I

Marcia Smith 5:09
guess that’s a little before me. That’s a little before your time, but let’s see. laughter Okay, some Egyptians made a joke and they heard him laugh and then they knew where they were.

Bob Smith 5:20
Oh, the Napoleon’s army. Yeah. heard their enemy because they were laughing. Yeah, no, it’s kind of just the opposite. Oh, this is a very odd little story. Back in 1798, you might remember that Napoleon was trying to extend his empire. He was trying to extend it into India. Actually, he landed troops in Egypt in the first stop on his Eastern campaign. And he brought with him to his credit soldiers, scientists and equipment on mules to study the ancient countries he went through that’s how we have things like the Rosetta Stone, for instance, Rosetta that was discovered when he was in Egypt. So there was some good things happen there. But in Egypt, troops under the command of General freons were attacked by a howling hordes of Arabs on horseback. And there was confusion until the general shouted, form a square put the donkeys and the scientist in the middle. Well, that’s exactly what the French troops did. In the middle of this battle. They just started laughing because it seems so absurd. Just ridiculous. Put the donkeys and the scientists in the middle. So that strange command of MUSE the soldiers, they began to shout with laughter and that amaze the Arabs, they had never heard men laughed during battle. So they paused in their attack. And that pause, led the French to take advantage of the moment they rally their troops and eventually beat the Arabs back. That’s how laughter helps save Napoleon’s army in Egypt.

Speaker 1 6:44
would have guessed what the donkeys and the scientists in the middle of the square deer.

Marcia Smith 6:52
Okay. Okay, Bob, what was the original purpose of a coffin?

Bob Smith 6:57
The original purpose of a coffin? It wasn’t just to keep the body in there,

Marcia Smith 7:02
you’d think? Wow. Well,

Bob Smith 7:05
let’s go back to I’m just thinking of ancient times, maybe the purpose of the coffin was to bring together all of the belongings that that person would take to heaven with them or take to the afterlife. And that’s the reason they needed a package for the body was to put all these other things inside. That’s

Marcia Smith 7:21
rather Egyptian, isn’t it? Yes,

Bob Smith 7:23
it is.

Marcia Smith 7:24
My first guest. And it wasn’t right was to protect the remains from animals are grave robbers. But it was employed to keep the deceased from coming back to haunt the survival. We don’t want them to come back, get in there, get in the box and stay in the what’s the

Bob Smith 7:40
nail in the coffin that was gonna secure it to keep it as Wow, that’s the entry. So it was to protect a living? Yeah, the purpose of a coffin was to protect the living not to preserve the dead. All that’s fascinating. It’s fascinating. I’m

Marcia Smith 7:55
here to help.

Bob Smith 7:56
Okay, I’ve got a business question. Okay. Okay. What company was the first American firm to offer trading allowances when customers bought new models of their product? What company was the first American firm to offer trading allowances if you bought a new model? Car? No. Wasn’t a car company. I knew my washing machine. No, but it was a TV a home appliance.

Marcia Smith 8:23
Okay, washing machine.

Bob Smith 8:25
Now this was this was a thing that was expensive to make. It was very intricate, and it was too expensive for most people to buy. At the time. I have no idea. And then the offered trade and allowances. It was the Singer sewing machine. Oh, cool. In 1856. Now they had been making sewing machines and selling them. And then that year, they offered a $50 rebate or an allowance on an old sewing machine turned in for a new machine. And that was a lot of money. $50. So the trade and allowances were later followed by the first installment buying plan that allowed people to pay for their their sewing machines on a rental basis, you’d apply $5 A month rental fees to the sewing machine. And then that would go to the purchase price. But singer singer did this. And by doing this in 1856, their sales increased by 200% Within one year, but that’s the beginning of installment purchases and the beginning of rebates or trade and allowance that Sears started that yeah,

Marcia Smith 9:19
okay, that’s cool. You know who Zillow is? Zillow. It’s where you go to check on houses. It sounds familiar. Yeah, real estate site and so forth. But a report by Zillow looked at 135,000 photos from old houses across the country to see how paint colors impact sales.

Bob Smith 9:41
I did see this

Marcia Smith 9:41
story I think really, maybe no, well, they found that homes with what color doors sold the most actually, they sold for more than $6,000 than expected what color door houses with red doors. That’s what I would have said not this Oh, charcoal smoky or jet black doors sell for $6,000 More really that inch I

Bob Smith 10:06
would have said red to yeah something a little more bright and yeah

Marcia Smith 10:09
you know hey come on in but a black door it’s sort of Blair doors are more valued out yeah or perceived as such in their studies a little also found that tuxedo kitchens that’s where the upper and lower cabinets are two different colors increased the sale of your asking price

Bob Smith 10:29
well in the kitchen is always the room that sells the house. Yeah, yeah. So

Marcia Smith 10:33
anyway, those are two things I would have not guessed. Okay, I’ve

Bob Smith 10:37
got one Okay. Okay. Okay, now this COVID 19 Coronavirus emergency has sent numerous famous brands into bankruptcy. We’ve talked about hertz and Neiman Marcus and J. Crew and JC Penney, a Brooks Brothers, but one famous 150 year old brand has gone gangbusters since the virus hit what is it? What brand that’s 150 years old. A company has gone gangbusters it’s not gone into bankruptcy. It’s selling more of its product than ever before. What companies paper

Marcia Smith 11:09
companies? No, I’m thinking of toiletries.

Bob Smith 11:14
Oh those Yes no. What company? Here’s a hint Okay, okay. It’s going great guns since people began cooking more for them. So

Marcia Smith 11:21
yeah, just food in general is gone away.

Bob Smith 11:24
What brand though?

Marcia Smith 11:25
What brand What 150

Bob Smith 11:26
year old brand is going gangbusters cereal,

Marcia Smith 11:30
something like Kellogg’s now I don’t know. Campbell’s Soup out. Of course. Of course. Of course.

Bob Smith 11:35
It’s funny because you know, they spent years trying to reinvent themselves by coming up with all kinds of different products. But the new CEO Mark Klaus, he’d had a year under his belt when that virus hit. But that was a year’s worth of work that began paying off because he started focusing the company on improving the quality of the soups, make them taste better. He added of the moment ingredient variety such as bone broth, and he he launched some sippable Well, yes, soups, soups and a cup that customers just microwave and drink from all that’s flying off the shelves in addition to the regular cans so as a result retail sales for the company in the first quarter of this year. Rose 33%. Sales of the soup itself went up 42% and their nonsuit products went big to like Prego that jumped 49% Pepperidge Farm cookies up 28% So that’s 150 year old brand is doing great during the Coronavirus. Well, and

Marcia Smith 12:31
as the year moves on to fall in winter, that number is going to go up higher too because soup sales generally are down in the summer. So that’s pretty phenomenal. It is isn’t it? It’s amazing. Is it my turn? Yeah. Okay, Queen Victoria. Bob back in the 1800s was so impressed with this guy’s invention that she made him a night. His name was Tom. Tom Tom crapper.

Bob Smith 12:57
Oh, was Tom Edison. Okay, I know who Tom crapper was. So I didn’t know he became sir. Yes, Sir Thomas Crapper, the inventor of the modern toilet. That is correct. Oh, my goodness.

Marcia Smith 13:11
So she gave him a knighthood knighthood for that she really liked that.

Bob Smith 13:19
So Well, every time you go into that toilet, you’ll think of Sir Thomas Robert. Yes, he and he probably touched your life more than many other people. And let’s take a break. We’ll be back. You’re listening to trivia on the off ramp with Bob and Marsha Smith. Okay, we’re back. Bob and Marcia Smith and the off ramp. Okay, I got a question for you. Now. This is a I’ve got some famous expressions and I want you to tell me where they came from. I’m going to tell you just one right now. Okay. wild goose chase who popularized that? wild goose chase? It goes back hundreds of years. Yeah, hint here. What are we hundreds of years famous play?

Marcia Smith 13:59
Famous play? Yeah. All right, that you have to narrow it down. And it’s

Bob Smith 14:03
a famous romantic play.

Marcia Smith 14:06
I said, Romeo and Juliet. That’s exactly

Bob Smith 14:09
right. That’s exactly right. In Romeo and Juliet, act two, scene four Shakespeare says, nay, if our wits run the wild goose chase I am done for thou hast more of the Wild Goose in one of my wits than I am sure I have in my whole five. Now. That term did not refer to actual geese, but wild goose chase was a type of horse race at the time. Really? Yeah. From the 16th century, each of a line of riders had to follow accurately the course of a leader just like a flight of wild geese follows its leader. So if you were in one of those races where the front horse was just zigzagging around it was called a wild goose chase but it was a horse race. So this basically characters saying you’re just willy nilly and I don’t have the energy to follow you. You It’s a wild goose chase, but Shakespeare is the person who popularise that,

Marcia Smith 15:01
huh. I had no idea and I didn’t know how I guess that one right anyway, I didn’t because I gave you so many hints moral play a play from hundreds of years ago and I knew I said romantic. Well, that does now. Yes, it does. All right. Fine. I was patting myself on the back. Okay, Bob. Mona Lisa, Mona Liz. So Monique says we have seen the woman in in the Louvre Museum, the Louvre and remember, we were both amazed at how tiny a small painting painting. But did you because I didn’t notice something in her right eye.

Bob Smith 15:41
A cataract? No, a monocle. Yeah. Now these are things I didn’t see. I didn’t see anything in her right eye. What is it?

Marcia Smith 15:48
Well, nobody does because it’s microscopic. But Leonardo da Vinci being the brilliant man he was. He put his initials in there LV no kid, and you can’t see it. But you can under a microscope there. Yes. And there’s also something in her other eye in her left eye, but they can’t figure out what it is exactly, or what it means it’s difficult to make it out and appears to be a C E. Or it could be the letter B. But you know, that’s just guessing. But Leonardo was so clever. He was always putting code in things. And you know,

Bob Smith 16:25
because the Davinci Code is refers to something he put in.

Marcia Smith 16:29
Brilliant follow. Interesting.

Bob Smith 16:32
Somewhat. Okay, here’s a kind of an interesting question. I saw this recently in a Wall Street Journal article, who is the world’s top executive coach, executive coach, you know, there are people who deal with executives, they train them how to deal with the media, everything else. But there’s one person who stands above all in being the top executive coach,

Marcia Smith 16:56
somebody like Tony Robbins, know, somebody like this

Bob Smith 17:00
person is a executive coach to the very top leaders in their countries person. You’re interested in royalty. And you mentioned royalty earlier. Oh, this is her great granddaughter, I believe. Oh, really? Queen Elizabeth the Second. She’s, she is an executive coach, because since 1952, she has held weekly meetings with 24 Different Prime Ministers. It’s a totally confidential thing. Nothing ever leaks out. I’m sure. So there’s confidential IR historical context, she could tell the current Prime Minister what she said to Winston Churchill, she has been doing this for 70 years. So at 93, she’s considered the world’s most experienced, executive mentor. Yeah, isn’t that interesting. And apparently, John Major set in 2016. She is above and beyond politics. And to this day, she receives a daily red box of official government documents and classified briefings so she can be helpful and share breadth of historical context with her ministers. How old was he when she began briefing the Prime Ministers? And that was Winston Churchill. Yeah. How was she? She

Marcia Smith 18:04
was very young. Was she even 21?

Bob Smith 18:06
She was 26. Okay, that was a 1952. The meetings have all been strictly confidential. Everyone can speak openly with all secrets guarded and no one but two participants are in the room. So nobody, but the two people know exactly what’s been shared. So yeah, if you want a executive mentor, you know, Queen Elizabeth is the person let’s get an appointment.

Marcia Smith 18:27
She might have hidden microphones, but

Bob Smith 18:29
but you never know. It never leaks. Nothing ever leaks. Well, here’s

Marcia Smith 18:32
that surprising factoid. Which state has the highest automotive deaths and which state has the lowest?

Bob Smith 18:41
I would think the state that has the highest would be something like California or Florida, where there are probably more people living than any other state. And the one with the lowest I would think would be low density population, I think like Utah or something like that. Yeah,

Marcia Smith 18:54
that’s what I thought too. But no, the highest the number one state for automotive deaths is Mississippi, really, and the lowest New York?

Bob Smith 19:04
Oh, my goodness, you just think almost the opposite is exactly

Marcia Smith 19:07
why I picked it. That’s the data from the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration. And a lot of it, it says five times higher in Mississippi than New York. One of the big factors in that change is in that in that difference is that rural roads,

Unknown Speaker 19:25
rural roads, rural roads,

Bob Smith 19:27
can’t say, country roads.

Marcia Smith 19:29
Country Roads are a factor, okay? Because you go faster, and you’re not paying as much attention. And so there’s a lot more country roads in Mississippi, in Mississippi, 22.3 people die per 100,000 people. And in New York, it’s 4.8 per 100,000 people, so it’s five times higher in Mississippi than New York. There you go. All right. A surprise twist.

Bob Smith 19:56
Okay, you talked about states there. I have a question for you. What two Midwestern states look very different in length and size but have almost the same area. You have lived in one of these states. I’ve lived in both of them. Well,

Marcia Smith 20:11
one would be Illinois. Yeah, Illinois, live there and I lived well, but it’d be Michigan. No. Iowa, Iowa

Bob Smith 20:20
and Illinois now, huh. Think about that because Iowa look squat. It appears to lay on its side, Illinois looks long and vertical, but they’re actually very close in size. Illinois has 57,915 square miles. Iowa has 56,272 square miles. But what a difference in population Iowa only has 3 million people Illinois has four times that more than 12 million. They look very different. But they’re not if you laid them both on their side and made them both vertical. They wouldn’t look as different as they do on the map normally, yeah. Anyway, I thought that was kind of interesting. Yes.

Marcia Smith 20:55
Well, so is this Bob. Okay. In the late 1800s. In Paris, a publisher are really in Shaw deserves a place in history for inventing and first publishing a newspaper made from what

Bob Smith 21:11
a newspaper made from what Yeah, well, paper. No, no. Okay. Newspaper made from I don’t know why. Well,

Marcia Smith 21:19
he enjoyed reading while bathing. Oh, so he

Bob Smith 21:24
printed it on rubber. Yes. The first newspaper printed on rubber in France so

Marcia Smith 21:30
he could read in the tub. What year late 1800s. And

Bob Smith 21:34
we know everybody prints on rubber. Now. These days everybody prints their papers and Robert actually catch Oh, dear. That’s funny. I got another famous last word. I want you to guess who it might be. Okay. Those. Okay. I shall hear in heaven was this person’s last words? You know this person because Oh, Beethoven. Beethoven. That’s right. He was Deaf from the time he was 31. And when he lay dying of pneumonia in 1827, at the age of 57, he was said to have raged at God during a violent thunderstorm. I shall hear in heaven. Other people said his last words were friends applaud the comedy is over. But I can like to hear in heaven. Yeah. Okay, I got another one. And I’ve got you what his friend told him when he said it. Okay. Okay. John D. Rockefeller senior and Henry Ford. Were friends. And John D. Rockefeller’s last words to Henry Ford. Were Goodbye. I’ll see you in heaven. What were Henry Ford’s last words to him?

Unknown Speaker 22:35
Don’t count on it. Sort of like that. So John

Bob Smith 22:38
D. Rockefeller. Goodbye. I’ll see you in heaven. You

Speaker 1 22:40
will if you get in Henry Ford said he gave it back to

Bob Smith 22:45
Yeah, it’s funny because people wondered would heaven really overlook? You know, he was an old robber baron. He was pretty greedy and cold hearted as a businessman there he used to steamroll this competition. So even though he became a philanthropist later, he had a bad reputation, even among his fellow moguls.

Marcia Smith 23:03
Oh, wow, you gotta be really bad. Fellow mogul says, yeah,

Bob Smith 23:07
if you’re getting to heaven, I’ll see you there. But. Okay, I’ve got some a couple of civil war facts. I think you’ll find interest. Okay. All right. We often hear that the during the Civil War, the North was much more industrialized in the south. But was it? No, no, it wasn’t.

Marcia Smith 23:23
I’m saying no. And because of maybe the cotton gin, they had that. Or because the South had the cotton gin. Yeah. And so they industrialize that and but that really was more of a separator of cotton. Well, the I could see it. That’s a good point. Yeah. Thank you, Bob. Actually, it’s wrong, but it’s a good well,

Bob Smith 23:41
by one measure, it’s wrong because actually, in 1860, the entire United States not just the South was overwhelmingly agricultural 72% of the nation’s Congressman represented farm district. Yeah. As the nation went into the civil

Marcia Smith 23:56
visit the Thrasher.

Bob Smith 23:59
Well, they got thrashed down south. So So actually, the Civil War pitted two agricultural societies against the other. And the difference, of course, was one one was based on plantation slave labor, and the other was based on family farms, small scale family farms, but the North did have a bit more manufacturing than the South. Okay, one more question. Okay. Okay. What percentage of the US population was high school educated in the Civil War? High school educated in the South? Yes.

Marcia Smith 24:27
Golly, I’ll say 13%.

Bob Smith 24:30
No, less than half of that. Really only 6% of the US population had attended high school not graduated from but had attended it at the time of the Civil

Marcia Smith 24:41
War. That’s how they got so many people to go towards civil war,

Bob Smith 24:45
because they couldn’t read. It’s interesting. You say that because I have my records of some of my Smith from that generation. Two of the brothers, three of the brothers so went to the Civil War. And they all have x where they had to sign they didn’t sign their name. Ain’t not even signed exes. But by the end of that that century, but

Marcia Smith 25:04
did it in calligraphy?

Unknown Speaker 25:06
Oh yeah, sure, I’m

Bob Smith 25:08
sure. You don’t even know who served in the Civil War from your family. Seriously? Seriously? No. So 30 years later, by the end of the century, more than half the population had gone due to high school and that coupled with new technologies like electricity, the telephone the typewriter lineup type machines, that led to a new form of journalism called the magazine magazines were just getting started at the time. I

Marcia Smith 25:33
read them all right, the sea cucumber that much beloved, see

Bob Smith 25:38
the sea cucumber?

Speaker 1 25:39
I’ve never heard of a sea cucumber. Really? Yeah. Oh, well, it’s

Marcia Smith 25:43
a clever little animal that’s a bottom feeder in the ocean. It’s really not a well known animal, but it has a clever way of keeping its enemies away. You want to think about what that might be? It

Bob Smith 25:59
pretends it’s not a cucumber Wow, the sea cucumber pretends it’s a pickle and that scares the hell out of all the other fish I don’t know.

Speaker 1 26:12
darling little thing it explodes its internal organs which clouds the water and you can get away it explodes them but it’s it’s keeps itself alive. Yeah,

Marcia Smith 26:24
and then it goes in it regenerates new internal organs or if it’s lucky enough to get away and he cannot wow this guy yeah, he’s rats like an animal with a superpower. Well, yeah, if he’s starving he’s

Speaker 1 26:38
got a real clever way of not starve it eat some deer All right. Well, those are very interesting. Ah, it keeps eating itself and it gets smaller it’s

Marcia Smith 26:58
no face

Bob Smith 27:01
it’s a cucumber mark the sea cucumber have a face

Speaker 1 27:05
it doesn’t but it has holes. Oh my goodness. It’s little

Bob Smith 27:13
because I figured after 20 weeks something like this wouldn’t happen. Marcia has lost all control. So I think that’s it for now. We should probably go. Thanks for joining us here on the off ramp is I think that’s where Marsha when

Speaker 1 27:27
you’re on the off ramp with Bob and Marsha Smith.

Bob Smith 27:34
Okay, take it easy. Do you like some water or something?

Unknown Speaker 27:37
Okay. I had to save that one for last I knew I wouldn’t get through.

Bob Smith 27:49
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