083 Wandering Path Trivia

Bob Smith 0:00
What computer keyboard symbol was first discovered in the ruins of Pompeii? And was once the 27th Letter of our alphabet? Oh, that’s

Marcia Smith 0:09
curious. Okay, semper fi, Bob, what does it mean? And what is it short for

Bob Smith 0:15
answers to those and other questions coming up in this episode of the off ramp with Bob

Marcia Smith 0:20
and Marsha Smith?

Bob Smith 0:37
Welcome to the off ramp a chance to slow down steer clear of crazy. Take a side road to sanity and have some fun with trivia. Well, Marcia, you see this symbol on your keyboard probably almost every day, and you use it at times. It was first discovered in the ruins of Pompeii. And it was once the 27th Letter of our alphabet. What is it?

Marcia Smith 1:00
I’m just going to guess? Is it the ampersand?

Bob Smith 1:03
That’s exactly right. Yeah, that loopy symbol really looks a bit like a leaning snowman that’s been around for centuries. And according to the book, shady characters, The Secret Life of punctuation symbols and other typographical marks, programmed by Keith Houston. The oldest known use of the ampersand is in graffiti that was found scrawled on a wall in Pompeii. Well,

Marcia Smith 1:26
what did it mean there? Well, it

Bob Smith 1:28
actually was the cursive letters e and t and formed the word et in Latin which means and okay, it eventually became known as the ampersand, which leads to the name according to Hannah Kaiser writing on the website, Mental Floss. By the 19th century, the ampersand symbol had become the 27th letter of the alphabet, it followed the letter Z, but that made it difficult to wrap up the alphabet when you’re reciting it think how we do it. W X, Y and Z. Right? So they were saying w x, y, z and and yeah, that’s, that’s why people began wrapping up the alphabet this way. W x, y, z, and per se, and, and then that phrase, and per se,

Marcia Smith 2:15
and oh, that became became ampersand. All right. Now,

Bob Smith 2:18
I had no idea. So that name first appeared in the dictionary in 1837. And today, the symbol even has its very own day. There’s a September 8, this ampersand day, did you know that

Marcia Smith 2:28
everything has a day Bob has its own thing.

Bob Smith 2:32
So ampersand is the you know, the and sign. All right. Well,

Marcia Smith 2:36
the other day we were watching something on TV and, you know, we heard the expression Semper Fi. Yeah. And the marine thing. Yeah. And so what is it short for Semper Fidelis? Or something? Like? How did you know that? You didn’t know the other day what it stood?

Bob Smith 2:53
No, I knew the name of it. I knew what it was. But I don’t know for sure if it’s something like loyalty forever, or something like that

Marcia Smith 2:59
darn close. It is Semper Fidelis, which is Latin for always faithful. There we go. And it’s the motto of the US Marine Corps. And you can answer to Semper Fi with a UU Ra, which is common response or battlecry. For a Marine, but don’t be confused with who are which is used the US Army and who Yeah. Which is the US Navy and Coast Guard. So cover all your bases and just Yeah, who Rahu ah, and who Yeah.

Bob Smith 3:32
Okay, all right. Yes. All right. Marcia, you remember last week, one of our questions had to do with what was the modern convenience that was only introduced because AT and T was involved in a labor dispute. That was direct dial telephones and they were introduced in Norfolk, Virginia in 1919. The next year, they introduced it in Dallas, Texas, and it kind of rolled out from there before then everybody used operators. Okay. Well, I found a very fascinating little thing on the AT and T website, they have a 1936. While I’d call it an explainer video, that’s what we call industrial videos that explain things you know, I narrate a lot of those things. Well, this is an excerpt from an explainer video they had to explain to people what a dial was how to use a dial what a dial tone sounded like. Let’s hear it. Now. Keep this in mind this explainer film played in movie theaters in towns and cities where direct dial was being introduced starting in 1936.

Speaker 1 4:32
At midnight Saturday, the telephones in this study will be changed to dial service and all telephone numbers will be changed. Here are a few important suggestions for the use of your dial telephone. Before calling any number first secure the number from your new directory. Then remove the receiver and listen for the dial tone. It sounds like this. That tone indicates everything is ready for your call. With the receiver off the hook Dial the desired number for examples. Suppose you want a dial 23650 Dial each numeral in this manner, pulling the dial around to the finger stop each time, be sure to allow the dial to freely return to its normal position. And this is the ringing signal

Speaker 1 5:20
if the line is busy, you’ll hear this busy signal. until Saturday, midnight, please use your present directory and make your calls in the usual manner.

Bob Smith 5:34
Those are all basic things we’ve had for almost 90 years now. But they had to be explained at first. What is that done?

Marcia Smith 5:41
And what does that mean? It means it’s busy. Isn’t that something?

Bob Smith 5:45
Yeah. So that was from ATT from 1936 of film.

Marcia Smith 5:49
Okay. All right. Well, I did go down a rabbit hole. Yeah, with death. Oh, well, that’s good. A couple of questions there. And I think before we discuss wakes, yes. It’s a common practice we know about especially for the Irish to celebrate a person’s life of the recently deceased. But how did it get its name?

Bob Smith 6:11
Wake? Yet? It’s, I think it was you’re there to make sure the body didn’t wake. That seems kind of a watch for a week. That’s right. Watch and see if he wakes up. Yeah, no, we shouldn’t bury him.

Marcia Smith 6:24
I know. We discussed it before about the purpose of awake and the good old days if you gave it you know, you gave a bit of time to make sure the deceased was dead. So you had a little party. And if he didn’t wake up, drop them in the hole.

Bob Smith 6:39
Hey, Marcia, you know, recently, Mardi Gras was celebrated in the city of New Orleans New Orleans. Exactly. But did you know that New Orleans wasn’t the first city to host Mardi Gras and the United States did

Marcia Smith 6:51
not know that. Where was it? Let’s just celebrate. Was it in the South? Yes, it

Bob Smith 6:56
was in the south. And it was in another port city. Okay. Shreveport. No.

Marcia Smith 7:03
Was it in Mississippi? No, it was in Alabama. Okay, then. I don’t know. Mobile,

Bob Smith 7:08
Alabama in 1702. So the first Mardi Gras celebration in the US was actually held at 27 mile bluff in Mobile. That went on for a number of years before New Orleans started celebrating Mardi Gras. Lots of food at the Mardi Gras and I got a food question for you here. Okay. Don’t feel bad if you can’t cook, okay. I don’t because Julia Child didn’t even learn to cook until after she became an adult. In fact, she learned it from her husband. You know the story there.

Marcia Smith 7:39
I saw the movie. Yeah, but I don’t remember well, Julia Child

Bob Smith 7:43
came from a wealthy family. She never had any reason to do any cooking because they had hired cook and her family. And her real name was Julia McWilliams before she met Paul Cushing child during World War Two. They were both in China during the war. Julius started out as a file clerk. Paul was a mapmaker for the USS he was kind of a spy. They got married, they were assigned to China, Mr. Child introduced his wife to Chinese cuisine, and she loved it. And when Juliet got the food bug, she became so interested in food that she studied at the Culinary Arts in France. And that’s how it all began. That’s

Marcia Smith 8:16
where you start to just burn. Exactly. All right, let’s get back to death, Bob. Oh, here we go. Do you ever wonder Bob, why funeral processions move so slowly?

Bob Smith 8:33
Well, that’s a good question. I always thought it was just for the dead kind of a respectful thing. A slow walk. Yeah. You

Marcia Smith 8:42
seem right. If they were skipping.

Bob Smith 8:44
Well, Mardi Gras they do. Dance there, so. No, I thought maybe it had to do with if they used to carry the coffin. You couldn’t run with it. You’d have to carry it on shoulders of people. Uh huh.

Marcia Smith 8:56
So heavy? No, no, we go back to the good old Roman days again, Bob. Okay. They introduced the lighting of candles and torches at funeral services to ward off evil spirits make sense and help guide the disease to paradise this way, boys. So we’re the word funeral itself is derived from the Latin word torch. Well, that makes sense. Yeah, yeah. But by the 15th century, people were placing huge candelabras on the coffins, even while they carried it to the burial ground. So people had to move like snails so the candles would blow out. Oh, that makes sense. Big candelabras so everybody picked it up and walked very slowly.

Bob Smith 9:39
No, no kidding. Yeah. And we all drive slowly for

Marcia Smith 9:43
a during that Yeah. funeral procession ever been behind one. You know how slow

Bob Smith 9:47
I just thought it was a mark of respect for the deceased, but it was because the candles would blow

Marcia Smith 9:53
to candelabras which is even more elaborate. Yeah, it’s bizarre who would know that? You do now. All the rappers out there.

Bob Smith 10:03
Alright, I’ve got an interesting question about archaeology. Okay. What contribution did the Kodak Company make to modern archaeology?

Marcia Smith 10:13
Ah, some kind of scope that they can put underground to see what’s there. It had to do with photography.

Bob Smith 10:18
Yeah, in 1911. This is years before he introduced a panoramic camera. Kodak’s founder George Eastman gave American explorer Hiram Begum a prototype. Now, Bingham was something of an Indiana Jones. He was a 35 year old, a young Yale University professor who led archeology expeditions. And he took that Kodak on an expedition to Peru. And while he was there, he was surprised to be led to the top of a mountain where they found an ancient lost city, and he spent four hours documenting the ruins on panoramic film. What was that city?

Marcia Smith 10:57
Was it MIT to peach … Machu Picchu?

Bob Smith 10:59
Yeah. And two years later, those stunning pictures revealed Machu Picchu to the world. In fact, Kodak provided cameras and film for multiple expeditions of his at no charge. And in exchange, he reported back on the ability of the film to be used and developed in in tropical regions. And for his return to Peru in 1912. Listen to what he got three special Kodak cameras, 3500 negatives, and at least 10 wooden tripods. And these documented the excavation of ruins, sometimes including Begum and his teammates to show the scale of how big the city was. And he said, if I hadn’t had that nobody would have believed me now what I found. So that’s how Kodak made a major contribution to archaeology in the 20th century, they donated this new technology to help explorers document their discoveries. Okay,

Marcia Smith 11:47
Bob, in 1991 Proctor and Gamble won a $75,000 lawsuit against James and Linda Newton, who were found responsible for spreading rumors about p&g. What was the rumor?

Bob Smith 12:02
The rumor was that the p&g symbol which was kind of like I think a face with stars in it, it’s a circle was satanic. That’s

Marcia Smith 12:10
right. They claimed that P and G were supporters of the Church of Satan. Because they were distributors of Amway products.

Bob Smith 12:21
Oh, you’re kidding. I didn’t know. So they did this to try to destroy the reputation of a competitor. They

Marcia Smith 12:26
were the number one competitor of Amway was Procter and Gamble.

Bob Smith 12:31
I didn’t know. Fundamental AfterStep is not a fun thing. For Procter and Gamble. They won. They won. Did it save how much money they

Marcia Smith 12:39
won? 76,000 75,000 75,000 So

Bob Smith 12:43
it wasn’t huge, but it was enough to slap you on the hands.

Marcia Smith 12:46
Yeah, it’s, it’s a lot back in 91.

Bob Smith 12:48
Yeah. All right. Well, we’ll take a break right now and be right back. You’re listening to the off ramp with Bob and Marsha Smith. Okay, we’re back with the off ramp and Marsha, I’ve got a couple of word questions for you. Oh, kiddo. Okay. How did the Italian word for foundry become the word we use for slums?

Marcia Smith 13:09
What is the word we use? For slum?

Bob Smith 13:11
The word is ghetto. Okay, a ghetto, right? Yeah, the ghetto and his mama Corolla?

Marcia Smith 13:18
I’m gonna, can

Bob Smith 13:19
I help you here?

Marcia Smith 13:20
Can you get to know okay? All right. So today, that

Bob Smith 13:22
word means impoverished urban centers, we apply it to Okay, so they live in a ghetto. That’s a ghetto over there. But originally, it related to places where Jews were forced to live, irrespective of their social class, it had nothing to do with whether you were poor or not. And in the early 1500s, Jews in Venice were housed on an island with an iron foundry. And the Italian word for Foundry is ghetto G H. Eto. That’s how I got it with one T, oh, I’ll be there. So that’s how ghetto became associated with Jews where they were forced to live. And then eventually, ghetto meant any place where people lived, and they probably didn’t want to be there. So that’s, that’s how the attendant work for foundry became synonymous with slums today.

Marcia Smith 14:07
So what you know the etymology of things is fascinating. Like, did you ever wonder Bob how mocking birds got their name?

Bob Smith 14:16
Well, it must be the way they sound when they I assume it’s the call and response or something when they’re mocking someone, they’re talking to each other,

Marcia Smith 14:29
but they have ability and I didn’t know that I never really thought about that. They personally Yes. They impersonate other birds. Dozens of other birds really? Yeah. And it can mimic other sounds too like creaking doors or cats. Oh,

Bob Smith 14:45
a bird that can mimic the sound of a cat. You know, you’re always upset with those big birds come to Yeah. Can you imagine a bird there that can mimic a cat? Yeah, hey, let’s get

Marcia Smith 14:57
the mockingbirds Latin name is Mimis polyglot tau which means many tongue mimic many

Bob Smith 15:04
different sounds. Yeah. Well speaking of Greek Oh, I guess it’s not Latin. Why don’t correct where does the word borophene come from? Murphy

Marcia Smith 15:16
from Morpheus. Yes. What was Morpheus? He was. God wasn’t a Greek god of dreams.

Bob Smith 15:22
Yeah, yeah. So if you took morphine often you’d fall asleep. So they named it after the Greek god of dreams. I

Marcia Smith 15:28
actually got that one. Oh, here’s something. Okay. Popeye.

Bob Smith 15:33
Popeye. Okay, Popeye.

Marcia Smith 15:35
Do you remember Donald Duck? Bob? Yes, I do. He had nephews who remember their names. Huey, Dewey, and Louie. Go to a pop. I had a family too. I didn’t know and he had four nephews. Bob, give me one good give me two

Bob Smith 15:48
Popeye. A flop I close Blackeye and blue. I don’t know you’re

Marcia Smith 15:54
not that far off. Oh, really? Pip pi, p pi. Popeye and Poopa. Little kids must have had a field day with those new PI.

Bob Smith 16:07
I can’t imagine. Oh, what a terrible I don’t

Marcia Smith 16:10
know how often Popeye’s nephews were in the cartoons. Well

Bob Smith 16:15
can all make sense. You’d have to create a family where they call them today a universe around these characters.

Marcia Smith 16:21
Matthews What is it with? Donald Duck and pop by everybody’s got to have nephews. Well, apparently Popeye couldn’t be a dad. So he had to Yeah, that’s it. Yeah. They don’t have sex or families. That’s right. Hey, just someone else had said in

Bob Smith 16:34
the family. That’s right. All right, Marcia. We’ve been hearing of major corporations pivoting lately. In January of 2021. General Motors announced it would stop making gas powered cars and trucks by the year 2035. Similarly, Royal Dutch Shell recently announced plans to pivot from fossil fuels to a cleaner business centered on selling electricity. Now, this isn’t the first pivot in shells history. Do you know how shell began the Shell Oil Company? Know anything to do with that logo?

Marcia Smith 17:07
It’s a shell. It’s a shell. It’s a seashell. Yeah. And shell

Bob Smith 17:11
originally had a huge business in seashells, trading seashells early in its history that really that was part of its Yeah, canning. Amazingly, a man named Marcus Samuel in 1833. He had a London based business selling antiques, he decided to try selling oriental seashells as well. He was capitalizing on their popularity in and interior design movement at the time. So he started importing seashells from the Orient to Europe. The demand was so great. He laid the foundations for an import export business that would ultimately become one of the world’s leading energy companies after he died. His sons got into trading kerosene, so they were shipping kerosene all over the world. And then when they got into oil, they decided to name the company shell. That is

Marcia Smith 17:58
very cool. And what a what a great logo. Yeah, to pay tribute to their beginnings became the

Bob Smith 18:06
shell transport and trading company. And the first shell was a mussel shell. It changed to a scallop. That’s what it is. Now, it’s a scallop design. And to this day, they have more than 500 sea shells in their archives from those early times. Very cool. Yeah.

Marcia Smith 18:21
All right, Bob, how far does the average person walk in a lifetime? Figuring that you live to 80x? Eight

Bob Smith 18:29
5000 miles, you walk in a lifetime? 110,000

Marcia Smith 18:32
Holy cow. Yeah, that’s over 260 million steps on your Fitbit if you’re keeping track. And that’s the equivalent of walking around the Earth five times from the equator. 110,000 miles. No

Bob Smith 18:48
wonder people’s legs give out eventually. Oh, yeah. 10,000 miles, and that’s the average person that’s not a

Marcia Smith 18:56
marathon. That’s not someone that you know, I’m going to go for my five mile daily walk.

Bob Smith 19:01
That makes sense. Now you can understand why athletes legs, they have a lot of problems with legs, legs, feet, because they’re they’re putting even more stress on those ligaments cheesier than 16 million steps. That is amazing. All right. I have another question. I think we’ve covered this at one point before in a different way. But you’ve heard of flotsam and jetsam. Yeah, water was filled with flotsam and jetsam. What does that

Marcia Smith 19:26
mean? That got algae and stuff like that. These are

Bob Smith 19:29
actual legal terms in maritime law flotsam and jetsam tell me Okay, jetsam, is anything that’s been deliberately jettisoned into the sea thrown into this really jetsam. So that’s that’s waste. Somebody’s jetsam. flotsam is considered floating wreckage. Think of floating flotsam. It’s something that’s accidentally floating Hmm. So maybe a ship wreck? Yeah, that’s flotsam. But jetsam is stuff you threw. It’s like garbage. It’s like yes, you

Marcia Smith 19:58
should have have really You’ve heard it all your life.

Bob Smith 20:01
I just assumed it was stuff. Yeah, I

Marcia Smith 20:03
thought it was algae and Guca on the water. Yeah. What was the first novel Bob ever to be written on a typewriter? Well, I think

Bob Smith 20:10
that was Mark Twain wasn’t it? Wasn’t that Samuel Clemens? I thought it was The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn. But maybe it was Tom Sawyer. It was Tom. So I really, you know, he loved technology. And he apparently walked by a window where they had a woman in the window typing. Yeah. And he saw that, and he thought, wow, that makes writing a lot easier when you think about it. All the books before that had been written in longhand, oh my god, that would take forever. And then you have to edit them and rewrite, actually literally rewrite. And it’s not correcting. It’s rewrite. Yeah.

Marcia Smith 20:41
That’s why he said, I never let my schooling interfere with my education. And that’s part of his education. We saw that and so I’m gonna teach myself how to do that.

Bob Smith 20:52
Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I have a question for you coming up. We’ve got the State of the Union, true or false? Since George Washington in 1790. Every US president has delivered an annual State of the Union speech to Congress.

Marcia Smith 21:08
No, you’re

Bob Smith 21:09
right. It’s false, because the Constitution only requires the president to give Congress an annual report on the nation’s condition. And George Washington delivered the first report as a speech in 1790. And John Adams continued that, but there were a lot of presidents who didn’t deliver the State of the Union. They sent the paper over Thomas Jefferson, who hated public speaking, he just delivered it. He sent it over in writing over to Capitol Hill. And for the next 113 years, every succeeding President followed Jefferson’s example. Okay. Two presidents never gave a State of the Union report period. Why?

Marcia Smith 21:49
Well, one died.

Bob Smith 21:51
They both died. William Henry Harrison and James Garfield, they both died before they had a chance to deliver what Harrison had the pneumonia and 18. Garfield was assassinated.

Marcia Smith 22:05
Speaking in public killed him, well.

Bob Smith 22:08
You associate that with the State of the Union message. Well, he died before he could give him and he was killed before he could give us I’m not gonna give one. That’s right. What President resumed the State of the Union as a speech, who broke that record who came back and gave it as a speech again? No. Oh, 113 years Marsh. Lincoln was only you know,

Marcia Smith 22:30
that’s hard to believe, isn’t it? Only 40 years after Jefferson,

Bob Smith 22:33
right? Yeah. It was Woodrow Wilson in 1913. And ever since then, for the last 100 plus years, presidents have delivered a State of the Union address live and in person. Yeah.

Marcia Smith 22:46
What city was known as the valley of death, because it was so polluted. Oh, dear,

Bob Smith 22:53
can you give me any hint where Brazil

Marcia Smith 22:55
it’s in Brazil really

Bob Smith 22:57
wasn’t Brasilia. Now. Rio de Janeiro. Know what

Marcia Smith 23:01
you bought us see you ba TOS Cubitus. In the 1990s. The city was so polluted that neither birds nor insects could survive there. And most Oh, yeah. And most trees were blackened stumps. Even the mayor of this city refused to live there. So well, what caused it? Well, it’s a combination of industrial pollution and its terrain. It was like a valley with

Bob Smith 23:30
a with mountains. Yeah. And probably had those inversion layers and things that cause smoke to stay down in the valley. Wow.

Marcia Smith 23:37
They’ve made great strides since the 90s. Cleaning up the pollution, according to the BBC, but they are still one of the worst polluted cities in the region. Well,

Bob Smith 23:47
okay. I’ve got a few more state of the union questions here, Marcia. Okay. Okay. What new state of the union tradition did Ronald Reagan introduce?

Marcia Smith 23:57
With State of the Union? I don’t know. He’d walked down from the back, no room, special

Bob Smith 24:01
guests who would be sitting in the gallery? Yeah, he was the first to do that. Mention them in his speech. Yeah.

Marcia Smith 24:06
And then he’d point up and they take, it’d be something to do with what he was talking. Yeah. A soldier, a survivor.

Bob Smith 24:13
That was a 1982. And then, speaking of survivors, you’ve heard the term, the designated survivor that only began after September 11 2001 is now a tradition for a few members of Congress to relocate to undisclosed locations as well as somebody selected by the White House Chief of Staff who would become president, if everybody above him or her in the line of succession would die in a crisis. Yeah.

Marcia Smith 24:38
I love the show. Designated Survivor. Yeah, Kiefer Sutherland.

Bob Smith 24:42
Oh, yes. That was a good one, wasn’t it? Yeah. Who did the longest State of the Union speech?

Marcia Smith 24:46
Oh, God, who was there was some loquacious ones were there.

Bob Smith 24:51
Clinton, Bill Clinton, hour and a half. Really?

Marcia Smith 24:54
I mean, you know, this isn’t the 1800s we have other things to do. All right. So let’s go to starfish. Okay, some of them can reproduce by spawning pretty average way, but many can do it another way. You want to guess what that is? How they reproduce without spawning,

Bob Smith 25:14
they call in sex partners from somewhere else. No, the starfish spawn I never think of a starfish

Marcia Smith 25:20
reproducing Yeah, I know you don’t how do you have sex

Bob Smith 25:23
when you’re gonna lose sharp edges?

Marcia Smith 25:27
There are many starfish Balsam are asexual, which means one starfish can create another starfish without mating a severed limb can become a whole new starfish. Oh really? Okay, just reproduces itself. Some species detach their own arms with the intention of reproducing. Wow. All right. I’m gonna go out here with some factoids. All on death from The Big Book of answers.

Bob Smith 25:52
Oh, boy. You sure know how to end things with a positive note there Marsh.

Marcia Smith 25:56
I got a vaccination now. So I’m feeling I can go wearable? Yeah. But this just interesting stuff real quickly. The most hazardous season is summer. The safest age of life is 10 years old. Really? The most years? Yeah, the most risky age is 45. People over 75 are twice as likely to be in fatal accidents as the rest of us really, you are more likely to get attacked by a cow than a shark.

Bob Smith 26:26
That’s a good one.

Marcia Smith 26:27
You will sooner die if deprived of sleep than if deprived the food. You can’t kill yourself by holding your breath. And most people die of natural causes between four and 5am. Ooh, I didn’t know that. And you know, I’ve always said that. It’s nothing natural about it. They’re probably having a nightmare about being slaughtered. I have a heart attack.

Bob Smith 26:50
Oh, thanks for those great facts on death. Marcia, you sure know how to wrap things. Oh, well, it’s

Marcia Smith 26:56
still a fun day. It’s a beautiful, we’ll try to be more positive. More positive. Yeah, here’s

Bob Smith 27:00
the thing. We can end on a positive note. Okay. Invite people to send us questions.

Marcia Smith 27:04
Oh, sure. Send me good ones to trick Bob with what? No, that’s not the way to describe it. Yes. Go to the website at

Bob Smith 27:10
the off ramp dot show and go to contact us and

Marcia Smith 27:14
just putting your question and answer there. Tell us your name and where you’re from. I’m Bob Smith.

Bob Smith 27:20
I’m Marcia Smith.

Marcia Smith 27:21
And this Wait, wait a minute. No, no, no. But this is the off ramp ramp.

Bob Smith 27:27
We’ll get that right next day. Goodbye. Goodbye. Goodbye, Bob. Goodbye, Marcia. Hello. I’m all alone here.

Marcia Smith 27:34
Nobody’s home. Anywhere.

Bob Smith 27:39
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