What craze swept Vienna in the 1700s, and led many people to neglect food, work, their loved ones and their health? And what time of the day do most people die? Hear Bob & Marcia on The Off Ramp podcast. www.theofframp.show
Bob and Marcia delved into various cultural and historical topics, including the origins of idioms and phrases, the history of food items like peanut butter and ketchup, and the political implications of coffee consumption in the 18th century. They also discussed early casting choices for Marlon Brando’s role in ‘The Godfather,’ with Marcia sharing interesting facts about the casting process and Bob highlighting the eventual decision to cast Brando as a masterful choice. Throughout the conversation, Bob and Marcia shared insights and trivia on a range of topics, demonstrating their knowledge and enthusiasm for history and culture.
Outline
1700s dance craze in Vienna that led to neglect of health and work.
- In 1700s Vienna, a dance craze led people to neglect work, family, and health in pursuit of prizes.
Food-related trivia and cultural differences.
- Marcia and Bob discuss common times of death and dinner frequency with loved ones.
- Marcia and Bob discuss the names of common foods in different countries, including peanut cheese in the Netherlands and tomato sauce in Australia.
- Marcia Smith and Bob Smith discuss the origins of the term “square meal” and the history of Greek salad.
- Bob Smith guesses that the composer of the “Coffee Cantata” is Mozart, based on the popularity of coffee in Europe in the 1700s.
Coffee, geography, and food inventions.
- Marcia and Bob discuss coffee addiction in an opera, with a father trying to persuade his daughter to give up coffee for marriage.
- Bob Smith explains the concept of antipodes and how to find them, using Argentina as an example.
- Marcia Smith joins in and shares interesting facts about Pop Rocks, Tang, and Cool Whip, including their inventor William Mitchell and their original names.
- Bob Smith and Marcia Smith discuss the origins of common idioms, including “give someone the cold shoulder” and “no can do.”
- The cold shoulder originated as a medieval custom of signaling the end of a meal, while “no can do” has a racist origin and was likely directed at Chinese immigrants in the early 20th century.
Literature, history, and Starbucks locations.
- Marcia Smith discusses the US government’s classification system for sensitive information, including top secret, confidential, and secret.
- George Eliot, a famous pen name of Mary Ann Evans, used a man’s name to publish her work and avoid scandal as an unmarried woman living with a married man.
- Bob Smith asks Marcia Smith which state has the fewest Starbucks locations, and Marcia correctly answers Vermont.
- Marcia Smith and Bob Smith discuss the Appalachian Trail, with Marcia mentioning it passes through 14 states.
- Bob and Marcia discuss the state of Alabama being nearly the same size as England, with Birmingham being a notable city in both locations.
Marlon Brando and Orson Welles’ acting careers.
- Marcia Smith mentions early casting choices for Marlon Brando’s role in The Godfather, including Danny Thomas, who was personally turned down by Coppola.
- Bob Smith adds that Brando was difficult on sets and caused problems, while Marcia Smith shares a personal anecdote about Orson Wells being full of himself during a commercial shoot.
- Bob Smith and Marcia Smith discuss the origins of popular foods and share a quote from author Albert Pike.
Bob Smith 0:00
What craze swept Vienna in the 1700s and led many people to neglect food work their loved ones and their health. Wow
Marcia Smith 0:09
okay, well what time do most people die?
Unknown Speaker 0:13
Hmm
Bob Smith 0:16
Okay, answers to those and other questions coming up in this episode of the off ramp with Bob
Marcia Smith 0:22
and the very much alive Marsha Smith
Bob Smith 0:42
Welcome to the off ramp a chance to slow down steer clear of crazy take a side road to sanity and get some perspective on life. Okay, Marshall, what craze swept Vienna and led many people to neglect their food, their work their loved ones and their health in the 1700s? Wow. Well, in their health it was okay, here’s a hint it’s an entertainment craze.
Marcia Smith 1:07
Okay, how about the hula hoop?
Bob Smith 1:09
I don’t know in the 1700s
Marcia Smith 1:13
I don’t know what were people doing in the seventh okay.
Bob Smith 1:15
It was a dance craze. Marcia made the waltz though waltz. Yes, today that’s considered a pretty polite conservative dance. But when it swept Vienna in the 1700s it was considered a wild intoxicating alternative to the minuet. Oh,
Marcia Smith 1:32
you bet you could touch much closer.
Bob Smith 1:35
So ballrooms sprang up by the dozens open all night with rotating orchestras. No kidding. People neglected their work. They abandoned their families they left behind their sick some writers witnessed droves of people pawning their possessions for money to dance. Wow, many people lost fortunes, because they didn’t go to work. They just abandon everything. They were just dancing all night and all day. And then it was sort of like They Shoot Horses, Don’t They remember that movie years ago about the marathon dance crazes in the 30s. People did this to make my try to win prizes. Well, same thing then people lost their health when couples competed to see how many times they could whirl at top speed without stopping. Many died suddenly after the contests. This comes from the Encyclopedia of amazing but true facts.
Marcia Smith 2:26
And how long had they been dancing when they died? Just a long time
Bob Smith 2:30
at top speed without stopping it says top speed. How
Marcia Smith 2:33
do you balsa top speed speaking
Bob Smith 2:35
of death? Let’s talk about your question. That
Marcia Smith 2:38
was going to be my transitional comment. Okay, Bob, there’s a common time where most people die of natural causes. Give me a time span. It’s between what and what? Okay,
Bob Smith 2:50
I would say I’m gonna say middle of the day, I’m just gonna say you get up here working and then you do keel over from your heart gives up because you’re you know, you’re working too hard out in the yard. So I’d say from 11am until 1pm.
Marcia Smith 3:05
Absolutely wrong.
Bob Smith 3:08
Okay, is it in the evening, then? Yeah. Oh, it is in the morning.
Marcia Smith 3:12
It is early, more early morning. Oh, which makes perfect sense to me. Because what do I always say? I usually say when they talk about people dying of natural causes. It’s probably because they’re having a terrifying dream and their heart gives out. So anyway, the answer to that question is between four and 5am.
Bob Smith 3:30
Wow, that’s when most people die of natural causes. You
Marcia Smith 3:34
and I often wake up in that time. Yeah. What does that mean? It used to be three, but now it’s four.
Bob Smith 3:40
It’s still a little later. Yeah. And sometimes people get up and walk around the house and do Yeah,
Marcia Smith 3:44
well, yeah, that’s a more natural thing. Let me just give you another quick one. Okay. I heard this on the way up here to the studio. Man, Man, the radio. They talked about a survey. And the question was, how many times in a week? Does the average person have dinner with their loved one? I happen
Bob Smith 4:03
to hear about this too. It’s a recent survey because used to be you know, back in the old old days, families ate every evening meal together. But now I think it’s gone down to three times a week. That’s exactly right.
Marcia Smith 4:15
Three times a week. But as a kid your family didn’t they eat together? Oh, yeah. All the time. All the time. And when our kids were so good, you better be there too. Oh my god. We were late for dinner was like the end of the world. It was wasn’t it? Oh, for God’s sakes.
Bob Smith 4:32
Well, I got a food question. Speaking of food, let’s Where is peanut butter called peanut cheese. And, and why?
Marcia Smith 4:42
Good Lord. Well, it’s not here in good old Wisconsin. I’ve never heard him peanut Cina cheese. They got every other kind of cheese. Same
Bob Smith 4:49
kind of stuff we have. We call it peanut butter. But there it’s called peanut cheese to country. Yeah, where is it and why? I’ll give you a choice here. Finland, Singapore. Costa Rica or the Netherlands?
Marcia Smith 5:02
I will say the last one, the Netherlands, yes. thickening meaning.
Bob Smith 5:06
You’re right. It’s called pinda costs there, which means peanut cheese. Now peanut butter is an American invention. It wasn’t introduced to the Netherlands until 1948. So after World War Two, the Dutch are pretty diligent about dairy. And the word butter can only be used for actual butter from milk. So they call it Peanut cheese. They call that spread a peanut cheese. Okay. I mean, it’s a logical reason for them. Right? Very interesting. What do Australians call their version of ketchup? I’ll give you three choices. Thank you red gravy. Oh, tomato dressing, or tomato sauce. Really?
Marcia Smith 5:44
I’ll say dressing. Tomato dressing.
Bob Smith 5:47
I’m sorry. You’re wrong. You didn’t add sorry. You
Unknown Speaker 5:51
love it.
Bob Smith 5:51
You don’t think it’s red gravy? No.
Marcia Smith 5:54
Is it really? No, it’s
Bob Smith 5:55
not. Oh, it’s tomato sauce. And apparently it predates American ketchup. When Heinz went there to try to start selling ketchup. They found that people already had a condiment they used a dead tomato sugar and vinegar and they called it tomato paste.
Marcia Smith 6:09
And here, you know what tomato paste is in a little can you know what that is? It’s very thick stuff you make sauce out of? Okay, speaking of food, what is a square meal? Why do we use the expression? I got three good square meals a day? That’s
Bob Smith 6:25
a good question. I always thought maybe it was term square Matt. Straight, regimented, natural. You know, he’s a square guy, you know, are that kind of a thing? Is that what it meant? No.
Marcia Smith 6:35
What did it mean? In the 18th century bomb, a British sailors diet was pretty grim. It was mostly water and moldy bread. Gosh, for breakfast and lunch. But if you’re lucky, the third meal of the day might have a little bit of meat. And if you got me you might get it on a square tin platter. Oh, no kidding. Yeah. And because of the shape of that platter, they call this the square meal of Wow. So and that was a good meal. It was great not to have the moldy bread and water. All right.
Bob Smith 7:08
In Greece. What does the name for Greek salad translate to?
Marcia Smith 7:13
How in Greek is it
Bob Smith 7:15
simple salad village salad or tomato and feta salad.
Marcia Smith 7:20
Wow. middlemen. Village
Bob Smith 7:23
salad. That’s exactly what it is. Village or peasant salad. It’s like oh, it’s the salad of the countryside. It’s the fresh ingredients salad. It’s actually called Poreotics li which means peasant or village salad. I love Greek sounds feta cheese, olives, Sweet Tomato and red onion salad known in Greece as the village salad, but we do
Marcia Smith 7:43
have a lot of food questions. And here is something sort of related. What famous composer Bob wrote the coffee cantata, the
Bob Smith 7:52
coffee can y’all love this? Is this a sing along is? Coffee cantata with speakers and narrators and
Marcia Smith 7:59
everything. You’ll never get this. Okay, I did so well known well known
Bob Smith 8:03
composer. Yeah. Is he a British composer or an American composer? Neither? Oh, is he a French composer? A German composer? I think so I bet it’s an Austrian or German composer. Because coffee became so big in the 1700s in Europe when it was imported from the you know, the Americas, like the Vienna coffee houses and all that. So I’ll say it’s somebody like Mozart.
Marcia Smith 8:27
Okay, you’re getting really close. It was Johann Bach. Ah, it’s true. One of his lesser known works in English it’s called be still stop chattering
Bob Smith 8:40
be still stop chattering. He was that such a musical term
Marcia Smith 8:43
wrote that in German. So romantic it is II wrote it in German in the 1730s. It’s a humorous Ode to coffee popularity. It makes light of the fears at the time that coffee was an immoral beverage entirely unfit for consumption.
Bob Smith 8:59
It makes fun of that. Yeah,
Marcia Smith 9:01
but why was
Bob Smith 9:03
it why was it was it immoral? Because it kept people awake all hours of the day and night they were out dancing, Waltz’s. That’s why?
Marcia Smith 9:11
No, because coffee shops in Europe at the time were known to be places of boisterous conversations. And they were meeting places for wait for it unchaperoned young adult. Oh, no, no. Yes. And they would talk about God only knows what so you went
Bob Smith 9:28
to the coffee house was like going to a pub or a tavern? Yes. And no.
Marcia Smith 9:32
Couples, boys and girls were no, no,
Bob Smith 9:35
no, you’re gonna mix regular with decaffeinated and all the different flavors all mixed together, lattes.
Marcia Smith 9:42
Who knows what they were talking about, but they were worried about political plots being formed in these coffee houses? Well,
Bob Smith 9:50
that makes sense because the coffee houses were places where politics were discussed.
Marcia Smith 9:54
Well, these are boys and girls talking about
Bob Smith 9:57
other
Marcia Smith 9:57
things, things that political bloc And this is an opera and it tells the story of a father trying to persuade his daughter to give up her coffee addiction. So she might get married. But in the end, she becomes a coffee drinking Brian. Oh
Unknown Speaker 10:13
no, not
Marcia Smith 10:14
one of those coffee drinking brides. It’s funny. He managed to have both. Okay. And your golf. Everything turned
Bob Smith 10:21
out fine. It did. Well, caffeinated marriage was what’s the name of that again? In
Marcia Smith 10:25
English be still stop chattering? Still stop
Bob Smith 10:29
chattering? How romantic. Is that? Funny? Okay, Marcia, a geography question for you now God getting away from food and coffee houses on the sin of caffeine. What countries on the exact opposite side of the Earth as Beijing, China? Just think of a globe? Yeah, you stick a pin through that globe all the way. What country would be on the exact opposite side? Now I’ll give you choices. United States, Algeria, Argentina, or Brazil might
Marcia Smith 11:00
say the United States. Well, that’s that’s good.
Bob Smith 11:04
But it’s not. Right. Here’s a new vocabulary word for you. antipode. You can use antipode to describe any direct opposite. But in the geographical sense. It’s where you’d end up if you dug a hole straight through the earth to the other side. Where
Marcia Smith 11:18
is it?
Bob Smith 11:19
It’s Argentina. Well, let’s
Marcia Smith 11:21
see, that doesn’t make sense to me
Bob Smith 11:23
lower than you would think it would be. digging a hole to China from your backyard only works if you’re in Argentina. And in general, if you’re in the Northern Hemisphere, the antipode is in the southern and if you’re in the Western Hemisphere, the antipode is in the eastern hemisphere. All right, that makes most of the Antipodes for locations in China fall within South America. What’s the antipode for almost all of the stuff here from North America? Nope.
Marcia Smith 11:48
What is it
Bob Smith 11:49
the Indian Ocean? I didn’t know that. I didn’t know that either. Yeah, so anyway, a little bit of interesting of geography there tears
Marcia Smith 11:56
Okay, Bob quickly. What do you cool with Pop Rocks and Tang all have in common? They all went to the moon. Tang did but I don’t know I don’t think the other two don’t think Cool Whip. What would they do? I got jokes there, but I’m gonna let
Bob Smith 12:10
it let’s not talk about that. Get your mind out of the gutter.
Marcia Smith 12:13
Okay, what do you think?
Bob Smith 12:16
What do I think? What do you think?
Marcia Smith 12:20
Pop Rocks, Tang and Cool Whip,
Bob Smith 12:22
Pop Rocks, Tang and Cool Whip. Well, they all have sensations those pop rock scissors things you’d put in your mouth and they are still for sale. still popular.
Marcia Smith 12:32
I don’t know. What are they have in common? Well, they were all invented by the same guy. Oh, you’re kidding. Oh, William Mitchell. He’s a scientist who worked for General Foods. And he wrote the post war boom for fast food. And he had some home runs including those three things cool whip Pop Rocks and 10 Wow. 70 Total inventions in his time. But this is cute. Do you know what the original name for Pop Rocks was no, gasified confection and it didn’t catch on with that name. So they went on to pop rocks and that caught on.
Bob Smith 13:05
All right, Marcia, time for a break. You’re listening to the off ramp with Bob and Marsha Smith. We’ll be back in just a moment. Okay, Marsha, I have more expressions for you. We’ve done fly off the handle and some of these others in recent shows. How about this one? Giving the cold shoulder where does that come from? What does it mean to give someone the cold shoulder? Well, you ignore them you kind of ignore them. The original meaning of that was not quite the same. What do you think it is?
Marcia Smith 13:35
Well, if you love somebody, you give them your warm shoulder to warm ups if case they’re cool, but if you gave them your cold shoulder and you were not being nice,
Bob Smith 13:44
ironically, this is another food question, Marcia. Back in the medieval times. Back in medieval times, whenever someone had a guest over it was considered impolite to ask the guest to leave outright. Okay. Instead, they had a custom when the host gave the guest a piece of meat from the shoulder of pork beef or mutton already cold. It signaled that the dinner was over. And the guest should get ready to leave. So you got the cold shoulder Well, I guess he’s talking to go Frank.
Marcia Smith 14:17
I’ll see you later. You know, what’s your source on
Bob Smith 14:21
common idioms and their origins is where it came from. I have the website URL if you want to look at it. A show or two ago Marsha. I had some famous common phrases that had racist origins. Remember, we talked about the tipping point? Yeah, long time no, see, I believe we talked about that when? What about no can do where did that come from? I just think of as no can do. Yeah, it actually
Marcia Smith 14:45
has an
Bob Smith 14:45
origin. Yeah, it kind of has a racist origin.
Marcia Smith 14:48
I was gonna say it had something to do in the Campbell’s Soup factory. No can’t do now. Okay, tell me
Bob Smith 14:54
it originated as a jab at non native English speakers according to the Oxford English dictionary it was likely directed at Chinese immigrants in the early 20th century No can do. Like they had a name with three different words. Uh huh. And they thought well no can do is a funny thing to say about them. And mumbo jumbo we always say that as being some kind of confusing thought. Yeah, that actually originated with religious ceremonies in West Africa in the Mandinka language. The word mama jam boo described a masked dancer who participated in ceremonies. The Royal African company clerk Francis Moore transcribed the name as mumbo jumbo in a book travels to the inland parts of Africa. So it was a kind of a term of derision for a time mumbo jumbo. Okay, I never thought of it coming in those those two places. Well,
Marcia Smith 15:44
here’s something very warm.
Bob Smith 15:48
Similar, topical different.
Marcia Smith 15:50
Yes. What are the three classifications the US government uses to designate how sensitive information is? Well, there’s
Bob Smith 15:59
top secret guests. The other two, there’s one, it’s something like special designation or something like that. That’s part
Marcia Smith 16:05
of the top secret.
Bob Smith 16:06
There’s a whole hierarchy.
Marcia Smith 16:08
It’s confidential, secret and top secret. Top secret is CI is sensitive, compartmentalized information, which means only a few people are allowed to even access that top secret. So but that is the top give me
Bob Smith 16:23
another one. Okay. Who was the George
Marcia Smith 16:25
and George Eliot, the famous pen name of Mary Ann Evans.
Bob Smith 16:30
Okay, yeah, this was a woman who went by the name George Eliot, so she could publish because back in the day that day, and yesterday, two women couldn’t publish anything, because people wouldn’t read something a woman wrote, well, that’s not exactly
Marcia Smith 16:45
true, but it was usually considered frivolous and not considered important. So
Bob Smith 16:49
George was her father’s name. No, actually, it was her married
Marcia Smith 16:53
lover. Her married live in lover, George Henry Luce. Wait
Bob Smith 16:59
a minute, she had a live in lover who was married to someone else? Correct.
Marcia Smith 17:03
But it was England, honey, and they couldn’t divorce themselves.
Bob Smith 17:06
Oh, that’s right. It’s terrible, terrible. For years, so
Marcia Smith 17:10
not divorce anybody they live together and died together. decades. They
Bob Smith 17:15
live together. So she took his name. Yeah, his name, his first name.
Marcia Smith 17:19
She wanted to avoid the stereotype of women’s writing. At the time, it was considered lighthearted and frivolous. And that’s why she took a man’s name. She also wanted to shield herself from scandal as she was an unmarried woman living with a married man and God knows they would have ripped her apart. But she is considered today as one of the most important Western writers of all time. One
Bob Smith 17:41
of my favorite quotes is from her. It’s never too late to be which you might have been. Is that what she wants from her? Yeah,
Marcia Smith 17:47
I have one here when she says it’s a little more heavy, light and easily broken ties are what I neither desire theoretically, nor could live for practically. Women who are satisfied with such ties do not act as I have done, they obtained what they desire, and are still invited to dinner.
Bob Smith 18:07
Well, they sound a lot more fun than you do, baby. That’s why but it
Marcia Smith 18:11
ended funny, meaning she never got invited anywhere. Nobody was good, at least
Bob Smith 18:16
so but she doesn’t sound like a good dinner conversationalist. Well, that
Marcia Smith 18:21
doesn’t have too serious, you know, they get what they desire, and they still get to go to dinner. But let’s
Bob Smith 18:27
get serious here. What state has the fewest Starbucks locations?
Marcia Smith 18:31
Oh my god, not a place to retire. That’s for sure.
Bob Smith 18:35
Let me give you the choices. Okay. Okay. Rhode Island, Vermont, Hawaii or Alaska? Well,
Marcia Smith 18:41
I was gonna say like one of the smallest states because it just hasn’t the population. You’re on the right track. Yeah. So New Hampshire. Well, I
Bob Smith 18:49
didn’t give you the choice.
Marcia Smith 18:51
Rhode Island.
Bob Smith 18:52
I did. You didn’t get
Marcia Smith 18:54
New Hampshire. Rhode Island is what I say. Okay, but it’s
Bob Smith 18:57
not New Hampshire. That was your first choice. It was a Rhode Island and it’s not Rhode Island. But here’s Alaska. No, it’s not. You are on the right track. It is a small state. It’s Vermont. Oh, you might want to avoid Vermont for your daily fix of venti caramel Frappuccino, because there are only eight locations to serve the state’s 625,000 residents. That’s all really Yeah. Now granted, it’s one of the least populous states but Wyoming, which has even fewer residents has 23 locations throughout the state.
Marcia Smith 19:28
No kidding.
Bob Smith 19:29
Wow. There you go to other states with few Starbucks locations or West Virginia. They’ve got 25 New Hampshire has 29. The state with the most locations a washing Where do you think they should love their lattes? Washington, California? Oh, yes, of course. More than 2800 Starbucks stores statewide in California. Well, when we
Marcia Smith 19:51
were in, was it Oregon? It seemed like there were two on every corner didn’t it?
Bob Smith 19:55
But it did. Yeah. Or Seattle, Washington. Yeah. You know, that’s where Starbucks did. Yeah, that’s right like to Starbucks on every corner. That’s why I said that. Okay. Very caffeinated people.
Marcia Smith 20:06
Okay, Bob, how many states? Does the Appalachian Trail pass through?
Bob Smith 20:11
Oh, you know that I just saw that the other day that goes through. It’s so many states because it starts in South Carolina, doesn’t it? And it goes all the way up through Maine. So that’s like 10 or 12 states, isn’t it?
Marcia Smith 20:25
I’m not going to answer this. Okay.
Bob Smith 20:27
It’s 10 or 12. States.
Marcia Smith 20:29
No to both. Oh, okay. It’s 1414. States Georgia, North Carolina, Tennessee, Virginia, West Virginia, Maryland, Pennsylvania, New Jersey, New York, Connecticut, Massachusetts, Vermont, New Hampshire and Maine. And
Bob Smith 20:42
that is not a trail you take by car that is a trail you hike. The Appalachian Trail. It’s a trail for for climbers and campers. That’s what it is. Okay. Have we been on it? No. for climbers and campers.
Marcia Smith 20:54
That’s why.
Bob Smith 20:57
Okay, here we go. Marcia, let’s look at states of the United States. Another geography question. Now, think of the globe think of states of the United States what state is almost the exact same size as England by land area. Now I can give you two clues. I can either give you a list of names, or I can give you another clue that will get you right to where it is. Okay. One of its largest cities is named after a British industrial city.
Marcia Smith 21:23
Wow. That would be like a Liverpool or something. Yeah, Liverpool,
Bob Smith 21:27
United States where the hell you find that
Marcia Smith 21:31
London department right down the road from here. That’s not whiskey. But
Bob Smith 21:35
that’s not an industrial site as much as some of the other cities in England. Yes. You’ll have to tell me Bob. Well, I’m gonna give you the other clue. Now. Here are the states it could be okay. Delaware, Texas, New York or Alabama?
Marcia Smith 21:48
I’ll say Texas. That’s right. Marcia,
Bob Smith 21:52
Birmingham, Texas. Is Alabama. Birmingham, Alabama is a state was Birmingham. I said one of the largest cities is named after a British industrial city. Birmingham is of well known industrial city, both in Alabama and in the United States.
Marcia Smith 22:09
I get the feeling I’m failing you as you are as
Bob Smith 22:13
a as a wife as a companion as a show host. Well, okay, the state of Alabama is 50,645 square miles. England is 50,337 square miles, I’ll be checkered and they both feature a notable city named Birmingham. In fact, most of the families had founded Birmingham, Alabama, came from Birmingham, England. And both of those cities are known for steelmaking. So I just thought that would be easy for you to figure out Yeah, but not so. Now, here’s an interesting statistic. England has a population of 56 million that’s more than 10 times that of Alabama for the same square footage. Isn’t that amazing? 10 times the amount of people in England as an Alabama but they’re the same size. That
Marcia Smith 23:01
is very interesting. Is it Bob early casting choices for Marlon Brando’s infamous Vito Corleone in The Godfather. Who were they give me you know, some early casting choice. I
Bob Smith 23:17
mean, other than him, yeah. Who else did they think he didn’t want
Marcia Smith 23:20
up? Coppola wanted Marlon Brando. But the studio didn’t they did not want him. They said no, he’s disruptive. He’s he’s going to be a problem. We don’t want him. He wound up taking the job for 100,000 Whoa, really? Yeah. Because they said don’t pay him a dime over 100. Wow, that’s interesting. If he’s toxic on the set, we get to get rid of him.
Bob Smith 23:41
Well, the obvious substitution would have been Burl Ives.
Marcia Smith 23:46
You know, you’re not that far off. Give me another guess.
Bob Smith 23:50
Okay, so we’re going back 40 years. Who was around them that – who played that to cop on TV and he was always saying 10-4? What was his name? Broderick Crawford.
Marcia Smith 24:01
Let me see. No, he’s not. Okay. Ernest Borgnine, Burt Lancaster, Laurence Olivier. Anthony Quinn.
Bob Smith 24:08
All those would have been good actually.
Marcia Smith 24:10
Edward G. Robinson.
Bob Smith 24:11
Ah che. Che that would have been different like Oh, Scofield.
Marcia Smith 24:16
George C Scott and here’s the one that I thought was pretty odd. Danny Thomas.
Bob Smith 24:20
I never thought of Danny Thomas as a mob boss. I can see almost everybody else there as one.
Marcia Smith 24:27
Yes but you know a couple of personalities turned down who wanted the job. Orson Welles.
Bob Smith 24:33
Well, that makes sense. He was another person they probably told him absolutely not just cranky and difficult.
Marcia Smith 24:37
And when they pick Marlin over Orson You can tell he was
Bob Smith 24:44
On the bad boy list.
Marcia Smith 24:46
He felt bad about turning him down. So Coppola offered him the Colonel Kurtz job in Apocalypse Now. The head colonel, but Welles turned that down. And who got that job? That was Marlon Brando again. Yes. So he did that.
Bob Smith 25:02
Yeah. And he caused a lot of problems on sets. He was difficult. Yeah. I don’t know if it was because they were method actors they had to get in this role or something. It’s so
Marcia Smith 25:10
Full of yourself – we know from personal firsthand that Orson was awful. Doing just a commercial he only do one take and in the booth, and then he would walk away. You know, no matter how bad he was. That’ll do.
Bob Smith 25:24
He said, I’m doing this in protest as it is. Yes. Yeah. We actually have some of those outtakes from some commercials. I forgot about that.
Marcia Smith 25:30
Yeah, he was so full of himself.
Bob Smith 25:33
That’s too bad. He’s very talented guy.
Marcia Smith 25:35
Yeah, but Danny Thomas.
Bob Smith 25:39
Make room for Danny.
Marcia Smith 25:40
We make room for
Speaker 1 25:41
Vito. Oh, that’s funny. All right. I have
Marcia Smith 25:45
a quote to finish up with after your next question.
Bob Smith 25:50
Okay, Marsha, one last food question for today to top things off, and it’s a sweet treat. The breakfast Danish wasn’t originally from Denmark. Where was it from?
Marcia Smith 26:01
It was from Bob Hong Kong.
Bob Smith 26:07
And no, no nearby country. Well, not really nearby. Actually. I didn’t know France. No, Denmark’s most famous food export actually came from Austria, okay, because in the 19th century, Danish bakers went on strike. And their employers hired cheaper bakers from Vienna and the Austrian bakers had this sweet treat, which was a folded pastry filled with cream jam or chocolate. And it was a big hit with the Danes. And the Danish was born. Even though it’s from Austria.
Marcia Smith 26:37
I still call it Danish. That’s funny. Yeah. So sometimes cultures
Bob Smith 26:41
turn something into something popular, but it came from somewhere else like
Marcia Smith 26:45
the Swedish meatballs. Last week, right? Yeah. Same
Bob Smith 26:47
kind of thing. Where was that from? Turkey? Turkey.
Marcia Smith 26:51
Yeah, yes.
Unknown Speaker 26:52
Okay. All right, Bob,
Marcia Smith 26:54
I’m going to finish up with a quote from author, Albert Pike. What we do for ourselves, dies with us, what we do for others, and the world remains and is immortal.
Bob Smith 27:08
In other words, don’t be selfish. You’ll be forgotten. If you’re selfish.
Marcia Smith 27:12
It’s a message to think that’s it. Oh, okay. It dies with you if you only think yourself. Okay.
Bob Smith 27:17
Well, Marcia, let me be generous. Would you like to wrap up the show? No.
Marcia Smith 27:22
Oh, I guess you have a spiel down. I’ll just say yeah, thanks for coming by.
Bob Smith 27:28
Well, that’s it for today. I’m Bob Smith.
Marcia Smith 27:32
I’m Marcia Smith. Join
Bob Smith 27:33
us again next time when we return with more fascinating facts and tantalizing trivia right here on the off ramp. The off ramp is produced in association with CPL Radio Online, and the Cedarburg Public Library Cedarburg, Wisconsin.
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